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Asteroid mining is one of those ideas that cycles in and out of public fascination — generating enormous excitement, then fading when people realize it won't happen within the next news cycle. But the concept never truly disappears, and for good reason.

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Host | Matthew S Williams

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Asteroid Mining: The Promise, the Problems, and the Philosophy

Asteroid mining is one of those ideas that cycles in and out of public fascination — generating enormous excitement, then fading when people realize it won't happen within the next news cycle. But the concept never truly disappears, and for good reason.

Near-Earth asteroids, numbering in the millions, contain staggering quantities of precious metals, rare earth elements, and water ice. Ironically, those same materials — iron, gold, platinum, nickel, and dozens of others — were originally delivered to Earth by asteroids during the Late Heavy Bombardment period some four billion years ago. We're essentially talking about going back to the source.

The three main asteroid types — carbonaceous (C-type), silicate (S-type), and metallic (M-type) — each offer distinct resources. Beyond metals, the abundance of water ice in the solar system could relieve pressure on Earth's increasingly stressed freshwater supply and fuel deep-space missions.

Philosophically, the implications are profound. Thomas More and Nietzsche both wrestled with why scarcity drives human value systems. Flood the market with space-borne metals and the entire economic architecture built on scarcity begins to crumble. Orwell saw it too — abundance erodes hierarchy. The first trillionaires born from asteroid mining might find their wealth meaningless almost immediately after making it.

But the darker scenarios deserve equal attention. Redistributing consumption off-world doesn't eliminate it. Space debris, environmental degradation beyond Earth, and the very real risk of exploitative labor structures in off-world operations — echoes of colonialism and indentured servitude — are not science fiction. They're logical extensions of human patterns.

The enthusiasm may ebb and flow, but asteroid mining remains an inevitable chapter in humanity's story. The real question is what kind of story we choose to write around it.

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Asteroid Mining

[00:00:00] The authors acknowledged that this podcast was recorded on the

traditional unseated lands of the Lekwungen Peoples. Hello and welcome back

to Stories From Space. I'm your host, Matt Williams, and today we'll be talking

about asteroid mining. What is the deal with it? Is it something that enjoyed a

heyday a few years ago and is now completely cooled as a concept, or is it

something that we can look forward to?

What are the challenges involved in realizing this whole idea? How soon could

they be overcome? What are the ethical implications, and what about all those

promises that were made for a post scarcity future, a future of total abundance,

and of course, the prediction that the world's first trillionaires would make their

money off of this industry.

And speaking personally when it comes to asteroid mining, I am of the opinion

that it's right up there with a space [00:01:00] elevator settlements on the moon

and Mars in that these are concepts that seem to come around every few years.

They garner a lot of enthusiasm, and then they kind of cool down because

people realize that's not gonna be happening anytime soon, which is to say

within the space of a human attention span.

Which are admittedly very short these days. Nevertheless, the concept remains

and it is something that for many people is an inevitable development, and this

includes famed futurists like Peter Diamandis, scientists like Stephen Hawking

and financial firms like Goldman Sachs, and for no other reason than the fact

that it is something that at some point we will be able to do and therefore we

will.

The benefits are self-explanatory, near Earth Asteroids, number in the millions.

They contain enough precious metals to sustain Earth's economy almost

[00:02:00] indefinitely, and other vital resources that we will need in order to

expand further throughout the solar system. So in essence, asteroid mining is a

key part of any future human space infrastructure.

If we are, in fact going back to the moon, if we're going on to Mars, if we're

gonna build the infrastructure that's going to allow us to do this with a a certain

regularity, which is to say lots of follow emissions, not years apart, and in a way

that is sustainable, then yes, asteroid mining is likely very likely to be a part of

that.Now, before getting into the particulars of what this would look like. Of what

asteroid mining would entail from a technological standpoint or a logistical

standpoint. First of all, you need to understand exactly what kind of asteroids

there are within near earth space. So to put it simply, asteroids are basically

leftover material [00:03:00] from the formation of the solar system.

So after the sun was born of a stellar nebula, basically a large cloud of gas and

dust rich in hydrogen, helium, and trace metals, this underwent gravitational

collapse and boon. Our star was formed, and the rest of the material in that

nebula, according to this. Stellar formation model that is the most widely

accepted.

That settled into a broad disc around the sun, which began rotating and due to

the conservation of angular momentum, a lot of this dust in key places began to

swirl and coalesce and eventually formed large bodies. According to that same

model, asteroids are material that did in fact accumulate and glom on together,

but did not become part of a larger planet.

And planets are so defined because after accumulating enough material, they

[00:04:00] underwent what's known as hydrostatic equilibrium, where they

collapse under their own mass to form a spherical object. And in the case of

rocky planets like Earth. The same force of gravity. It pulled most of the heavier

elements that went into making it like iron a nickel into the core, and this left

the crust and mantle pretty much depleted of heavier elements.

However, by the late heavy bombardment period, which occurred between 4.1

and 3.8 billion years ago, a disproportionately high amount of asteroids were

being kicked around the solar system, and they collided with the planets in the

inner solar system and distributed metals throughout the crusted mantle of these

planets.

So in essence, all the mineral wealth we currently enjoy here on Earth that we

exploit for the sake of our economy and meeting some of our most basic needs.

These were delivered by asteroids, [00:05:00] metals like iron, nickel, gold,

cobalt, manganese, mully, denim, osmium, palladium, platinum, uranium,

rhodium, rium, and tungsten, and countless others on the periodic table that we

rely on.

These all came from space. So you can understand now why various people,

various prospectors, business tycoons, and of course futurists and scientists,

they look to the asteroid belt as the next great industrial boom, the next greatfrontier for building humanities, economy, and a key part for building beyond

Earth.

And within the solar system alone, there are an estimated 150 million asteroids,

and that is strictly the ones that measure a hundred meters or more in diameter

or 330 feet. And these can be divided into three main groups that correspond to

their composition. First, you have sea type asteroids, [00:06:00] which are

composed largely of clay and silicon minerals, and are rich in carbon.

You have the S type, which are rich in silicates and traces of metal like nickel

and iron and M type asteroids, which are almost exclusively composed of

metals. And about 75% of all of these asteroids fall into the C type category.

The stype account for about 17%, and the M types make up the remainder

roughly 8%.

And so while the metal rich asteroids are rare compared to the carbonaceous

carbon asteroids, all of them nevertheless possess resources that are vital to any

future that humanity hopes to have in space. For the metallic asteroids, we're

talking gold, platinum, cobalt, zinc, tin lead, silver, copper, iron, and rare earth

metals, all of which are sought after by manufacturing and electronics, and on

the whole asteroids are also rich in [00:07:00] water ices and other volatiles like

ammonia, methane.

So in addition to harvesting precious metals and rare earth metals, we would

have access to enough water to sustain humanity for generations to come

without having to rely on earth's depleted freshwater resources. In fact, in terms

of water alone, planetary resources and asteroid mining consortium, that has

become a front runner in the whole asteroid mining advocacy group.

They indicate that there are roughly 2.2 trillion short tons or 2 trillion metric,

tons of water, ice in the solar system. Now in comparison, earth has an

estimated 35 trillion tons, and that's its total fresh water volume. However, that

means all water sources located on the surface and deep underground add up to

an estimated 35 trillion tons.

However, 69% of that is locked up in glaciers and ice caps. [00:08:00] Roughly

30% of it is groundwater and only 0.3% of it is accessible in terms of lakes,

rivers, and glacial runoff. If you expand that to include atmospheric water

vapor, it's about 1.2%. So the water, ice that is accessible in the system meet in.

And meanwhile, the availability of such abundant metal and other resources.

This would fuel a surge in Earth's economy, and it would definitely lead to asituation where scarcity is no longer a key facet of our economy. And that's

something that has existed from the get go. Ever since human beings have

walked the earth and conducted trade, the basis of their economies has always

been scarcity.

Value has been determined based on how [00:09:00] scarce an item is. Utility is

also a factor. Of course, if something is useful, it will be valuable to whoever

needs it. However, the supply ultimately is the big determining factor. And for

social science and philosophy majors, they may recall how Thomas Moore

Nietzsche commented on this, on the conundrum of why gold would be held to

be valuable.

What's that say about humanity? And our societies, Thomas Moore chalked it

up to greed, whereas Nietzsche chalked it up to what he called the bestowing

virtue. That gold is valuable because we bestow that quality onto it because it is

scarce, and both philosophers agreed that iron was a far more valuable

commodity in terms of its usage, but because it is by comparison, plentiful, it

was not highly valued.

And so that's the essence [00:10:00] of a post scarcity economy. The idea that if

we were to flood the market with space borne metals, then the value of these

metals would decrease sharply simply because they become so much more

available. So the whole basis of wealth and the whole basis of having and not

having it would disappear.

And we would have a society in which precious metals and all other resources

exist in abundance, and therefore no one is going without. And this is something

that George Orwell also commented in in 1984, where he said if it once became

general wealth, would confer no distinction. And redistribution of wealth,

however, accidental thanks to automation and production, it began to erode.

So you can see the appeal here, both from the [00:11:00] point of view of, of

economists and also philosophers and scholars, those who are hardcore

democratic and distributed thinkers, which is to say, people who believe in

distributed systems of economics and politics in order to maximize human

freedom. So in an ironic way.

While the first trillionaires might be born of the asteroid mining industry, their

wealth would mean very little shortly thereafter. The very thing that would be

making them stinking rich would be completely devaluing the very basis of that

wealth.So what exactly does it entail? What are the details when it comes to asteroid

mining and what would it look like?

Well simply put, it would involve space stations initially in low earth orbit or

rather platforms where robotic vehicles are assembled, which then travel to near

Earth asteroids, which would've been [00:12:00] already prospected in advance.

In addition, carbonaceous asteroids, they're rich in carbon compounds, which

also could be utilized given graphenes explosive entry into the world market.

And its many, many applications. And you also have other miracle materials

like carbine and carbon nanotubes, all of these things, these could be facilitated

and made a lot more prolific by harvesting carbon directly from space. In

addition, it has been speculated for some time that with the proper equipment,

carbon couldn't be compressed in order to create artificial diamonds.

And this can be used to create diamond OID materials, the super material that

could allow for all manner of space exploration, extreme temperature and

pressure resistant probes that could study deeply within planet cores. And also

within.[00:13:00]

Within its Corona and possibly even deeper, and within the gas giants.

And on the whole asteroids are also rich in water, ice, and other and other

volatiles like ammonia and methane. So in addition to harvesting precious

metals and rare earth metals, we would have access to enough water to sustain

humanity.

Sustain humanity for generations to come without having to rely on earth's

depleted freshwater resources. In fact, in terms of water alone, planetary

resources and asteroid mining consortium, that has become a front runner in the

whole asteroid mining advocacy group, they indicate that there are roughly 2.2

trillion short tons or 2 trillion metric, tons of water, ice in the solar system.

Has an estimated 35, 35 tons. [00:14:00] However, 69% of that is locked up in

glaciers and ice caps. Roughly 30% of it is groundwater and only 0.3% of it is

accessible in terms of lakes, rivers, and glacial runoff. If you expand that to

include atmospheric water vapor, it's about 1.2%. So the water, ice that is

accessible in the solar system is more than enough to meet future needs in a way

that would take stress off of Earth's limited freshwater stocks.And meanwhile, the availability of such abundant metal and other resources.

This would fuel a surgeon Earth's economy, and it would definitely lead to a

situation where scarcity is no longer. A key facet of our economy, and that's

something that has existed from the get go. Ever since human beings have

walked the earth and conducted trade, the basis of their economies has

[00:15:00] always been scarcity.

Value has been determined based on how scarce an item is. Utility is also a

factor. Of course, if something is useful, it will be valuable to whoever needs it.

However, the supply ultimately is the big determiner, the big determining

factor, and this is something that human beings have understood for just as long.

And for social science and philosophy majors, they may recall how Thomas

Moore Nietzsche commented on this, on the conundrum of why gold would be

held to be valuable. What's that say about humanity and our societies, Thomas

Moore likened it. Thomas Moore chalked it up to greed, whereas his Nietzsche

chalked it up to what he called the bestowing virtue.

That gold is valuable because we bestow that quality onto it because it is scarce.

And both philosophers agreed that iron was a [00:16:00] far more valuable

commodity in terms of its usage, but because it is by comparison, plentiful, it

was not highly valued. And so that's the essence of a post scarcity economy.

The idea that if we were to flood the market with space borne metals, then the

value of these metals would decrease sharply simply because they become so

much more available. So the whole basis of wealth and the whole basis of

having and not having it would disappear. And we would have a society in

which precious metals and all other resources exist in abundance, and therefore

no one is going without.

And this is something that George Orwell also commented in in 1984, where he

said, if it once became general wealth, would confer no distinction and how the

redistribution of [00:17:00] wealth, however accidental thanks to automation

and machine production. It began to erode the very basis of a hierarchical

society.

So you can see the appeal here, both from the point of view of, of economists

and also philosophers and scholars, those who are hardcore democratic and

distributed thinkers, which is to say, people who believe in distributed systems

of economics and politics in order to maximize human freedom. So in an ironic

way.While the first trillionaires might be born of the asteroid mining industry, their

wealth would mean very little shortly thereafter. The very thing that would be

making them stinking rich would be completely devaluing the very basis of that

wealth.

It could effectively become like a nature preserve where all of our needs, a lot

of our economic needs are met [00:18:00] by off world resources and humans

are able to live in a almost entirely untouched, pristine environment with all the

contrivances, all the modern amenities, and were no longer causing a serious

impact to other species and their biospheres.

And destroying their habitats in order to ensure our own growth and sustenance.

Of course, no discussion on asteroid mining or any other prospect of this nature

would be complete without mentioning the downsides, which is to say the

ethical implications, the possible consequences, et cetera. And I kind of left a

clue in there when I said that.

By relocating all our industries off World Earth would be able to recover

environmentally from many, many, many generations of humans, from catalyst

generations of human habitation and the multiplication of our species, and how

we've just spread [00:19:00] all across the planet and occupied just about every

niche system available and buried within all.

That is the notion that, well, we're not disposing of our bad habits or our

consumption. We're just redistributing it. We're just sending it off to, into space

or to, and sort of the hidden message and all that is that, well, we're not actually

addressing these consumption related behaviors, this overburdening of the

natural resource environment in order to suit our needs.

We're just redistributing it. We're sending it elsewhere. And so you can see with

relative ease here, um. And so you can see a familiar kind of trope in this, a

common science fiction trope where off world colonies have been established in

the future and people live and work there and they are essentially a off world

labor class that are providing for earth at the point of a gun or just [00:20:00] by

means of force.

And this is a familiar sort of dystopian trope, however. One can see the seeds of

that there in this thinking. And when talking about establishing a self-sustaining

city on Mars, Elon Musk once said that people could enter into a sort of

indentured servitude where they would be working off the the price of a one-way ticket to Mars by essentially working for free when they got there, until

they paid off their debt.

And several critics were quick to point out, oh, there's another word for that,

indentured servitude. It's called slavery. And this is not entirely unrealistic. Of

course, others would counter that by saying, well, by enabling a post scarcity

future, the entire basis of slavery and debt and so forth would be eliminated.

But then again, that depends on how the wealth that is generated in the system,

how it is distributed. [00:21:00] And to quote Orwell, once again, it's by means

of a system where it was impossible not to redistribute some of the wealth. And

he is using early industrialization as an example. Even though industry was not

intended for the purpose of alleviating poverty, it was impossible that the

general fortunes, the standard of living, of the working peoples, that it wouldn't

be elevated because wealth was becoming more general.

So there is that. However, it is not farfetched to think that human beings would

find a way to monopolize the wealth and control its distribution in a way that

left certain people out, and it would be a safe bet that those people would be

those living off world. In addition, there are the environmental concerns.

And it has been pointed out, certain researchers have published papers in which

they argued that just because we're mining in space, that doesn't mean we're not

spoiling a natural environment. Earth [00:22:00] is a part of space, and

everything that is out there is directly tied to what is down here. So mucking

around with asteroids.

This would present immense material benefits. It would even have the benefit of

asteroid defense if we are aware of all the asteroids within the inner solar

system and beyond. If we are able to monitor them up close, the odds of any of

them posing a risk to earth in the future would be significantly reduced.

But we still run the risk of just toxifying the space environment. If we mine out

all the near earth asteroids and leave debris everywhere, that could become a

very serious problem for space travel itself, for space travel itself. And that in

turn could pose something of a risk to earth. You think of all the satellites that

litter low Earth orbit right now, which we absolutely have to do something

about in the near future.

And then extend that to [00:23:00] include asteroid related debris and defunct

machines used in asteroid mining and how those could end up littering the

Earth's orbit, which these asteroids currently share. This Earth could in thefuture, be routinely passing through debris fields, if left unmitigated. That

would cause all kinds of havoc to our atmosphere and to anything operating in

our lower earth orbit.

These could pose, yeah, this could pose a threat to our atmosphere and to

anything operating in low earth orbit or C lunar space, because of course, with

every cycle, every year we are passing through some of what we've left out

there. And of course, there are those who argue that nature preserves should be

established in space because the potential for scalability and exponential

growth, it is undeniable.

But what happens when you reach the very edge of that? What happens when

you have tapped [00:24:00] every single resource in the solar system and you're

actively consuming it? What happens when your numbers multiply to the extent

that you can no longer meet the demand based on the the resource space? And

this is something that human history has shown repeatedly Every time our

numbers grow with the latest technological advances.

With the latest technological advances and a increase in food production and a

resulting increase in food production and the numbers of people that we can

sustain, we eventually hit a point of inflection or crisis where we can no longer

produce enough to sustain those numbers. And we either see a civilization

recede or collapse as a result, or they're saved by a technological innovation that

allows for them to carry on.

Keep multiplying. And so like everything else, when we're talking about the

future of humanity and our future in [00:25:00] space and all these ambitious

projects that we hope to realize someday, we have to address the ethical

implications first as well as the legal ramifications. If we're operating in space,

who is jurisdiction?

How do we adjudicate things? How do we deal with offenses and transgressions

of various kinds? I mean, there's going to have to be a legal code for how

everyone operates in space so that no one person, one entity, one faction, or

nation or planet, is doing unnecessary harm to others. And as usual with my and

in what is typical for me, I look at that with a sense of optimism or the very

least cautious optimism in the sense that.

I do believe that human beings are capable of doing that and we certainly have a

track record for addressing problems in advance or, and there is a precedent

[00:26:00] for that. If you look at the outer space treaty, you look at the articleson anti proliferation of nuclear weapons of disarmament and environmental

regulations and laws.

We do have it within us to anticipate problems and to address existing problems

before they become a complete and total nightmare, and whether or not that is

what we will do in the future, in part to avert climate change catastrophe. But

also to avert any potential disasters that would wait for us beyond a climate

related existential crisis.

Right? If we do survive climate change in this century, then yes, we'll be

looking at a new set of challenges as we embark on new journeys and, uh, enter

into future frontiers. I do believe that this is something that will have to happen,

so it's likely to. And that [00:27:00] at the very least, it'll all be very, very

interesting to see.

And like many, I hope that I'm around to see at least the beginnings of it to be

there when we get in on the ground floor. In any case, to address something I

brought up earlier, it does seem as though. Enthusiasm has sort of cooled when

it comes to asteroid mining, much like it's cooled with regards to us establishing

a permanent human settlement on Mars.

Things have sort of gone from a high point in the mid 2010s to a much more

tepid response today, but the prospect of these things remains, and it is natural.

That enthusiasm sort of goes in cycles. Something attracts attention. A lot of

people jump on board and then they slowly peel off when they realize that this

is not happening right now or in the near future, which is to say the next few

[00:28:00] years.

But much like sending humans to Mars, much like establishing outpost on the

moon and everything else, these are dreams that have been around for

generations and they're certainly not going away simply because they're not

attracting the same amount of attention that they were a few years ago. And as

is pretty much always the case in my experience.

As long as there is the prospect for doing something, there are people who will

commit themselves, their resources and their energies to doing it. And the more

possible it seems, the more people will be getting on board and given the

payoffs, given the payoff of a space elevator of off world settlement of asteroid

mining, there will always be proponents of that.

There will always be people looking to make it happen. The [00:29:00] May

very well succeed and we will see the very beginnings.Tune in next time when we'll be looking at the subject of Agenesis. The idea

that life spontaneously arises from chemical reactions in our natural

environment, and where we'll be looking at recent research that shows that the

building blocks of life actually do this in space, which has tremendous

implications in the search for life beyond Earth in the search for extraterrestrial

intelligence.

And in our ongoing research, no. And the ongoing study of how the building

blocks of life are distributed throughout the universe. AKA panspermia, which

is a subject I've been promising to do for some time now. We'll get into all of

that and then [00:30:00] some in the meantime. Thank you for listening. I'm

Matt Williams, and this has been Stories from Space.