Join Dr. Susan Birne-Stone and Marco Ciappelli as they explore the power of mentoring in education and its impact on individuals and communities in this exciting episode of The Mentor Project Podcast.
Guest: Deborah Thomson, Founder & CEO of One Health Lessons [@OneHealthLesson]
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Episode Introduction
In this thrilling episode of The Mentor Project Podcast, hosts Dr. Susan Birne-Stone and Marco Ciappelli dive deep into an enlightening conversation with Deborah Thomson, founder of One Health Lessons. This episode is a powerful exploration of mentoring, an essential practice often overlooked in professional settings. How does mentoring differ from teaching, and what roles do these practices play in our personal and professional growth? These are just some of the intriguing questions our hosts will answer in this episode.
Deborah Thomson is an inspiring figure, a scientist whose journey took her from the halls of Capitol Hill, working on science policy, to establishing her nonprofit, One Health Lessons. This organization is based on the understanding that the health of people, animals, and the environment is inextricably linked. Deborah explains how she found her path to the Mentor Project, her passion for public health, global health, environmental health, and animal welfare, and how she and the Mentor Project have collaborated on hackathons and other initiatives.
The conversation highlights how mentoring shapes One Health Lessons' approach to solving health problems that affect humans, animals, and the environment. We also delve into how Deborah tailors her mentoring strategies to each individual intern, a practice she believes is essential to effective mentoring.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone and Marco Ciappelli discuss about the nuances between teaching and mentoring and their overlapping areas. The hosts beautifully weave the discussion to invite listeners to ponder their experiences and perceptions about these two powerful tools for knowledge transfer.
As the episode concludes, our hosts discuss how One Health Lessons and the Mentor Project collaborate, including coordinating a challenge for a hackathon and teaching in different countries. It is a testament to the powerful impact of global collaboration and mentoring.
This episode is sure to leave you pondering about the importance of mentoring in your life, both from the perspectives of the mentee and mentor. It's an invitation to think, to learn, and to grow. Whether you are at the beginning of your career, in the middle, or an established professional, the insights shared will resonate with you.
We kindly ask you to share this episode with your friends and colleagues to spread the incredible importance and impact of mentorship. And don't forget to subscribe to the Mentor Project Podcast to stay tuned for more inspiring discussions. There's so much more to learn from the experiences and wisdom of our mentors. Stay tuned!
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voiceover00:15
Welcome to the Mentor Project podcast, a place where you will learn discover new ideas, be entertained, inspired, and even mentored. Our shows explore a wide range of subjects, including science, technology, business, society, and culture, art and entertainment, and life. If you would like to learn more about the mentor project, please go to www dot mentor project.org. We hope you'll enjoy the show.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 00:56
Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Mentor Project podcast. Marco, how are you today?
Marco Ciappelli01:04
I am good. I'm good. I'm excited. I'm excited to meet some mentors.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 01:10
Yes, yes. It's been a while. But here we are again. And it's great talking about the mentor project. So we have another very special mentor with us today. Dr. Deborah Thompson. Deborah, welcome to the Mentor Project podcast.
Deborah Thomson01:27
Thank you so much. I've been really looking forward to this time together.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 01:31
It's great. So you know, why don't we just start with? Why don't you tell us how you got involved with a mentor project. And it may also include a little bit about you in terms of your work and your passions?
Deborah Thomson01:47
Uh huh. Well, it was a bit of a roundabout way how I found Deborah. But what happened is, I was working on Capitol Hill working in science policy, particularly with a One Health focus and one health is that connection between our health and the health of the environment, animals and plants. So my policy areas were public health, global health, environmental health, animal health and welfare. And the list goes on and on. Because everything's connected after all right. Yeah.
Marco Ciappelli02:20
That's, that's weird.
Deborah Thomson02:25
So I had a friend, when I was working in policy full time, who knew? Who knew somebody who was also working with Deborah, and then connected us. And from there, she heard about One Health lessons, which is a nonprofit that I started. And it just, it totally made sense to, to partner with the mentor project. And since joining forces, we've actually been able to collaborate on hackathons and bit more. So
Marco Ciappelli02:57
it totally makes sense, because that's at the core of what one health lessons does anyway, you are mentoring, teaching and educating caller What do you want? But, and that's maybe that's something that we could touch, like, is there a difference between mentoring and educating? And I don't know, we could go there. But I want to know a little bit more about what your organization is about. And because I know that it's very, it's kind of like, as you said, everything is interconnected. And the mental project at this point, it's interconnected with what one health lesson does. So
Deborah Thomson03:37
yeah, so I guess we should just break down one health concept in the US so that everybody's on the same page. So that one health concept, again, is that connection between everything between our health and the health of the environment, animals and plants, right? Sick environment, sick people, other people call it common sense, which honestly, it is, right? Then the one
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 03:59
it is common sense, but not really, because you know, Deborah, what you bring what I love so much is that gets lost in every day. Like you bring it that connection to the environment and to animals. So continue, because I think, although it is common sense. Most of us don't think about it on a daily basis. Even when we think about the interplay with so many I'm a systems thinker, but you know, when I met you and heard about what your organization does, it was like, Oh, I never quite thought about it that way. So please,
Deborah Thomson04:32
you know, you hit the nail on the head. Because when I heard about One Health, the light bulb went over my head and I thought, My gosh, my life finally makes sense, because I was doing ecology and now I'm in a veterinary medicine. I'm a veterinarian, right. But it was never brought to me in that beautiful packaging, right. So I thought, well, of course this makes sense. But then why wasn't I teaching this along when I was working full time as an educator going back to One Health approach. And One Health approach is just teamwork between people of different backgrounds, strengths, disciplines, we come together and we prevent and solve health problems, health problems that, of course, will have to do with our health and the health of the environment, animals and plants. You know, over the last several years, there's been a bit of growth of the definition to improve social sciences, incorporation of social sciences, because certainly, social structures can dictate health, as well as not only where a person lives, but who we're surrounded by, right, our social network. Absolutely, yeah. So it's pretty much having people of all different backgrounds coming to the same table and having a conversation to improve the health of you, your family and your community.
Marco Ciappelli06:01
And the way that you distribute this knowledge, I don't know why I use the word distributed, but I like it. Oh, that was good. Okay. Okay, I'm good. We word it's, I guess. It's in a way that you involve the most different kinds of people in the most different part of the world that just want to be part of this distribution of knowledge, let's put it this way and educate and the next and then they may learn and that they become educator themselves. So again, I'm connecting with the mentorship here. So let's get into that how that system works and how important it is to connect everybody.
Deborah Thomson06:44
Yes, thank you for that. Certainly, just like what Susan had said, you know, the light bulb going off over your head is something that people don't necessarily think about. But holy cow, this is important, not only to think about to talk about, and then to take action, right? We teach not only the concept and the approach, but we want to inspire action, because that's how you can truly protect your community, protect your family, right. And we do this actually all over the world. So when we provide lessons, we do it in a way that anybody can relate to these lessons, regardless of where you live on this planet. For instance, when we created the lesson that was focused on the COVID vaccine, everybody at that time was thinking, holy moly, this is a brand new vaccine, should we trust it? Should we not trust it? What to do? Well, with one of our lessons called the story behind the COVID vaccine, it actually goes into this the true story of this woman who was behind the science behind the vaccine, and she had been working for decades on developing the technology that ultimately led to this vaccine. But we pulled on the heartstrings a little bit. But keep in mind, this is a true story. This woman was rejected so many times, because while she was focused on messenger RNA research that eventually leads to protein developments. Other people thought that it was nonsense. People thought that it was pointless. Well, guess what? Now in the 2020s era, the technology was able to support the the validity of this type of science. And because of that, we were able to save millions of lives. Untold right, we will never know ultimately the number of lives that have been saved with that particular vaccine. But everybody can relate to rejection. Everybody can relate to the story of perseverance, right? And when this story came out, and I heard it on a podcast actually, I thought I need to share this with the world so I created the lesson and then those lessons are now being translated into lots of other languages. But that's the story of One Health lessons honestly, we put out learning material people from around the world hear it or see it or or read it and they say I want to bring this home so they translate it
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 09:33
well Marco, I knew please
Marco Ciappelli09:35
you'll think I know this by now. I got excited I said you also adapted not only you translated but you adopted depending on who you're teaching to because the teaching goes to kids that can go to adults. And I again I want to make this connection here with the with the mentorship like we are expert in something But then we need to be able to tell the stories maybe to people that are not experts. And I think that mentorship is one of the things that is about and Susan, maybe you want to give me your, your perspective on this as well. And, and Deborah, so how does it come? Together? Are you really mentoring? Are you teaching? What's the difference?
Deborah Thomson10:24
Susan, you want to start it?
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 10:26
No, I think it's a great question. I love it. I think it's a great question is Is your we can talk about the mentor project. But Deb, why don't you talk about your work as you see it, when you when you were describing the lesson? Tell us a little bit more about the lesson and the packaging of it. And And for you, how do you distinguish between teaching and mentoring?
Deborah Thomson10:52
I think it kind of folds into just the way I live life. I'm always looking for new knowledge. I always want to absorb new information each day. It's just how I have functions. And I'm not afraid to say I don't understand. While I was a child, I was actually ridiculed for saying I don't get it. I don't understand, and always asking the why why why questions, right? But maybe in retrospect, that was me just trying to be a stronger scientist, right, asking the why question. Absolutely. And when I mentor with the internship program, and I think this is where really the, the interest might lie with the mentor project is the internship program, I always try my best to tailor my mentoring techniques to the individual min T. And that can be really challenging because I over seven cohorts of interns I have taught well, we've had about 69 interns, over 20, over 20 Different countries represented over 20 Different disciplines represented actually. But it really comes down to understanding the reason why they want to contribute to the One Health lessons mission, you know, bringing this learning material out across the planets, and into homes and into communities, Right. but also understanding where they're coming from. And it's not necessarily a matter of where they're coming from, as in, they just graduated from their undergrad degree or they're still in high school, or they're, they're already board certified in internal medicine, and they're a physician or they are a statistician, and they just value one health, you know, regardless of what their background is, they can bring something to the table, a new perspective. And I think when it comes to mentorship is incredibly important to have that awareness and that respect going in both directions, so that we can learn from each other. I don't teach nor mentor in a way that I dictate projects, the way each intern joins will have lessons if they have a set role. Say I am the North America's promotions intern. So what that means is that they're responsible for all of Canada, the United States, and then Mexico and then also by the way, the Caribbean too, because why not? And then they're responsible for getting more community buy and get more people who are interested in learning about one health through one health lessons train more people to teach one health lessons in their own communities. And also, they're responsible all of the regional promotions. Interns are also responsible for helping with language translations like lesson translations that is. So the way I create teams, families of interns, maybe that's the better way to say it. It could be between two individuals and 16 individuals. It ultimately comes down to what chapter of life one health lessons is in and we're just about to celebrate our third birthday. So
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 14:37
that's exciting three years. That's great. Thank you. What is uh, tell us a little bit more about One Health One Health lessons relationship with the mentor project. How does that work? So are you partnering in terms of mentoring people through the One Health lessons
Deborah Thomson14:56
in different countries? Thank you for that question. Oh, Um, the last, the last formal event that we took part in was helping with coordinating a challenge for the hackathon. That happened in the fall of 2022. So we actually had a One Health challenge. And that one health challenge was about antibiotic resistance that can affect of course, people, animals, and plants, right? So we actually helped mentor, a team of two, one person was from the United States, the other person was in Greece. And there are two high school students, and they didn't really well.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 15:39
That's great. That's great. Beyond
Deborah Thomson15:42
that, we have taught Javi years classrooms, who's in Argentina, he's a high school teacher in Argentina.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 15:51
And he's also the coordinator of the hackathon. Oh, yes, that
Deborah Thomson15:55
was very convenient. But we've taught maybe seven, eight times with Hopkins. And I think a way to get the kids really involved is that we taught in English, even though we have a whole subset of lesson leaders, people who have been trained how to teach these lessons, who can speak Spanish, primarily, or they are bilingual. But that school in particular wanted to have English speakers. So what was interesting is that we had folks from Nigeria, teaching the kids in Argentina, we had folks in Hong Kong, teaching the kids in Argentina, we had folks in the United States in the UK, all different English accents. And afterward, Javier said, I didn't necessarily expect the kids to appreciate the differences, not only in our accents, but also some of the, the way we formulate, you know, sentences and such. But it really opened their eyes. And the other thing that he said, that I really liked is that he said, After these lessons, the kids asked questions about cultural differences, cultural similarities, they wanted to know more about geography.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 17:24
So it's interesting, because it sounds like you know, Michael, you have any thinking now about like, this whole difference between mentoring and teaching. And it sounds like the mentoring that you did then morphed into teaching because they were asking more questions. So there's a lot of overlap. And I started to think about myself in terms of when I mentor people versus when I teach, because I do, I'm a professor of psychology. And that's very clearly defined, right? The role is, I am a professor, my students take a class, it's all clear their students, there's the professor, I'm expected to provide this information. However, within my role as professor, I also think I'm doing some mentoring, because that's my style. So it's kind of there's like an overlap. But I think, you know, we could probably do a whole podcast actually, now that I'm thinking, Marco, on the differences and similarities of, of mentoring and teaching. But I want to go back, Deborah, to your birthday, your third birthday, in terms of One Health lessons. And, you know, I know that you've come a long way from when it was born to now. And could you give us just a couple of a highlights, and then some of the things where you want to go with it? Like what are some of your birthday wishes that you might make when you're blowing out the candles on the third birthday cake?
Deborah Thomson18:54
Boy, these are good questions. When you ask me, What highlights? What what activities brought me to tears of happiness?
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 19:04
Great question.
Deborah Thomson19:07
I actually happened several times. And I don't think I'll ever forget this story, Marco, I might have shared it with you. I can't remember Forgive me if it's a repeat or not. But there's an intern who ultimately became a One Health lessons ambassador. It just means that he went through nine extra hours of training to bring these lessons home, and then train others locally, in your own first language, how to teach these lessons, right? Because I didn't create my lessons for the English speaking world. I created it for the world, right? So precious is in Malawi. And he had just recently graduated from school. And he wanted to bring these lessons into the community. And he had a particular interest of bringing the COVID vaccine lesson, the one that I was talking about earlier, into the community. And he found an orphanage in Malawi, and he approached the orphanage said that he has a lesson to teach if if the kids of all different ages were interested in learning, and eventually he got into the orphanage and he was teaching, he told me that about 200 kids were in front of him actively listening how on earth he got that happening? I don't know what you want your kids listening, right? But no, they were absorbed in the material. And, and He only told me this after the fact. Because before I would have been like, how's this gonna go? He told me after the fact that in the back row, when a group of girls realize that it was a woman behind the science behind the vaccine, they stood up and cheered. And they started. And when he came back the next Saturday, because we regularly have Saturday meetings with the interns, and he told us the story, we were all in tears. We were like, are you serious? This happened in real life, and he showed us pictures.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 21:16
That's amazing. That's really amazing. Beautiful. Yeah, I
Marco Ciappelli21:20
couldn't believe. Now you didn't share with me this story. But I'm glad that you, you just did. It's, it's a great story. It's also a kind of connect to with my vision, maybe of the difference between mentoring and teaching it, I always feel like mentoring, maybe because I kind of think about the origin of the word mentor mentor was actually an individual, right, in the in Greece. And, for me, I also think about when you take a one on one, almost like, you know, you develop their relationship, almost like an apprentice in the Renaissance in the arts. And all of that is what teaching is more, I think, if you try to reach more people, and may be less individual as an approach, but maybe more effective from from a quantity. But maybe mentoring is a more of a quality mentoring is more of responding to everybody's need, and the difference to teach in a different way. So I don't know how we can amplify that. Because that I think, is the ideal way to educate people talk about technology, being able to adapt, teaching in different way, because they all the kids have different level of knowledge or the way that they, they, they can understand things. And I feel like as a mentor, that's what you do. You're like an a, an AI that adapt to the needs of the kids. I don't know. That's me. I know what you guys think about this. You know,
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 23:02
I'm also thinking that maybe it's also more specific, you know, when we teach, it tends to be globally. But when we're and we could teach specific things. But when you mentor like I'm just thinking of like, when I've been mentored when people have asked me to mentor them, it's usually on something very, very specified, as opposed to, and it might be consecutive things like somebody wants to be mentored in a specific skill base, or mentored in order to go in on a career path. Whereas teaching could be more global. But again, we can have a whole podcast series just on
Marco Ciappelli23:44
on the dip. Hi, now, but it's exciting.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 23:46
It's exciting. I want to hear Deborah's wishes, though, if that's okay. Marco, I want to go back to original follow up question about because she mentioned the third birthday is coming up. And what would you like to wish for? You know, what would you like to see? Four, year four, five and six happen for for one health lessons?
Deborah Thomson24:07
Thank you. Well, with more sponsorship comes more staffing, right. And with that come so much more power? Well, what I want on my wish list is to put up more learning material, learning material that has to do with food safety, you know, making sure that we cook our food properly, and we get our food in a sustainable way. Right? How do plastics affect the environment not only for animals, but for people and then also how does that actually play into reproductive health? Because believe it or not, depending on your gender, additives to plastic actually influence your health. So those types of lessons plus something about rabies because that kills so many people on the planet today, even though in North America we don't think about rabies so much because of a phenomenal vaccine campaign that's been happening in North America for so long. And antibiotic resistance, that's a silent pandemic epidemic, it's a big thing that nobody's really talking about on a, on a way, in a manner that the general public can truly appreciate. Because if you don't see it in front of you, you know, you don't see that rabid dog, for instance, you know, if you don't see the threat in front of you, it's harder to appreciate the, the severity. And it's also important to make sure that we know ways to prevent the need for antibiotics, you know, washing your hands properly, avoiding certain sources of contaminated food, things like that, you know, our mission ultimately, is to protect families and communities, and through high quality education. And we want this education to be open access, we don't want to put $1 sign for, you know, learn this material for $10 $10 could be four meals, five meals, 10 meals, for a family somewhere else on this planet, right? We can't set numbers and prices, we need this to be open access. And because of that, we need more funders. The other thing that I would really, really, really love is to have a true pen pal program where we connect, see, Javier is classrooms in Argentina, with similar classrooms who already know about one health because we've taught there in Nigeria, and connect them with folks in England and connect them with Singapore, you know, it goes on and on and on and on, right. Because if you learn that the world is relatable to anybody else on the planet, well, then that makes you more of a citizen of the world much sooner than when you're an adult. And well, you know,
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 27:16
sorry. I'm excited to see how you can have some of this happen also in conjunction in collaboration with the mentor project, because it sounds like a lot of the goals and mission of the mentor project is very much consistent with one health lesson. So it'll be exciting to see how that can play out in the future. And so I just put a plug in to support the mentor project. If you're interested in to our listeners out there to please support and get involved with the mentor project, go on the Mentor Project website. And you know, you can even make a donation or want to volunteer and be connected through the mentor project with one health lessons as well. So I look forward to seeing how the mentor project and one health lessons, what we can do together going forward, this is really exciting. There's a lot that can be done.
Deborah Thomson28:15
Absolutely. Synergy is key right synergy is taking that one whole approach people of all different backgrounds coming together to progress in school issues.
Marco Ciappelli28:25
Absolutely. And you also create this virality that we talk so much in social media, and often in a bad way. Because yeah, there is bad things that happen. But imagine all the good things that happen, we just tend to talk about bad one, but you know how people come much closer to each other how people exchange culture, how we are unified and what you picture there, kind of make me smile inside because what you're doing for the health, the One Health lessons, it can be done for technology, it can be done for literacy can be done for anything, and also mostly understand that we are all on this blue.in the middle of you know, in a corner of the Milky Way in the middle of the universe, that we don't even know how big it is and really, really start acting as one. So for me, even the choice of one, it's it's great. It's a strong message right there.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 29:28
Yeah, Michael, I agree. And I have a whole list of of topics that I would love to see happen is, as you know, I previously mentioned I'm in the world of mental health, emotional health, relationship health, and not only connected just with nutrition, but animals. You know, there is a whole list. We can talk more offline about that because that's exciting in terms of and those lessons are really needed, you know, for for people and mentoring. So I'm excited about that and see what we can do with that.
Marco Ciappelli30:00
That's why we're here here. I think we're all also volunteering our time to have this conversation to prepare lessons and to everybody in his own way from puppeteer to science and hackathons, and, and all of that. So, again, we're here to promote the mentor project, and the people that contribute so much to the mentor project, because they somehow they're already doing it, even outside the mentor project, this doesn't happen to stumble. In these, I just became a mentor. And I think you have an insight that you want to do that. And and I think, Deborah, maybe you want to talk for a minute about the book. I know, we're ready to talk on another side. But I think that's still part of mentoring, how to share knowledge in different ways. So I'd like you to take a minute for that too. And then
Deborah Thomson30:57
I think you're talking about this book, right? Yes,
Marco Ciappelli30:59
you were ready.
Deborah Thomson31:01
The desk, the art of science communication. For those who cannot see, see the video here. It's called The Art of science communication. And then the subtext is sharing knowledge with students, the public and policymakers is
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 31:16
great, thank you.
Deborah Thomson31:19
It's divided into three sections. The first section is how to communicate with children, people who really don't have that background of science, then the next is how to communicate with the public, people who haven't heard a science lesson in 30 years. And then last bit is how to communicate with policymakers, legislators, people of substantial influence, and how to translate your science or technology or engineering or mathematics or whatever your forte is, with people of substantial influence. So that last section came from my experience when I was working in policy, when I was working on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, I was on the other side of the table receiving the visitors. And I was often translating after the visitor left translating the message, to apply it towards policy. And I thought, this needs to be shared with the world in order to move science and STEM in a forward direction.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 32:23
Great topic, I look forward to reading the book. Great congratulations.
Marco Ciappelli32:28
And a great topic that, again, configure everything is working in synergy and how those translation is that the one we need to do when we have a different audience in front of us. So it's important to get the message across the lesson or the mentoring, be effective overall. So
Deborah Thomson32:53
I'm sorry, but you had many different teaching and mentoring. And I'll just say this, when I first start a new intern cohort, I actively teach in a way that I want to make sure that the interns understand how to communicate with people of different backgrounds, discipline strengths, how to explain one health in a digestible manner, how to book appointments, meetings, how to do podcasts, how to network, how to lead others, and how to communicate. So that's how my active teaching happens in the first several weeks with these interns, when I see that they're ready to fly on their own, then I take a backseat. And it's more of an act of mentorship, I support them, I make sure that they want that they are going to continue to fly, you know, I might like give them extra air up there, right. But I make sure that the interns understand that I will never put them in a position where I don't think that they're ready for it. And I think with that trust that's built over several weeks. And me personally seeing the growth of the individual, they don't see their own growth. They're working on everything. Right, but it's up to me, the mentor to say you're ready, go ahead and and represent one help lessons and that's a big responsibility, but I trust them.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 34:23
That was a great explanation for you how you nesting between the teaching part when you're working within turns to the mentoring. Yeah, I appreciated that.
Marco Ciappelli34:33
Yeah, maybe it reflects to that you could you you know, they have the base which come from the education and the teaching. And then maybe you need that you know, each one of them need that extra one on one because you know, that extra push that is individual for that person maybe it's lacking in one little thing and and it's something you have to share with that person. So I thought it was very, very beautiful example of how you see the distinction of the two. So I hope this also is a lesson for other mentors that are listening to today's and inspire maybe each one of us to make little adaptations and correction and course as we go. It's a very humble, humble thing to do. But I think it's important. It's in maybe, maybe very relevant in the end. So great conversation. Deborah, thank you for joining us, Susan. Again, every time we talk to someone, I just get inspired to talk more and more and more and more scripting.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 35:40
Absolutely. And it just for again, for our listeners or viewers, if you're interested in getting in touch with Deborah, please go through the mentor project, you can go to mentor project.org. And you can she can be contacted there. And there's lots of different ways. So we look forward to the work. We look forward to your birthday celebration. And thank you for coming on and talking about the mentoring and one health lessons and dementia projects and look forward to future collaborations.
Deborah Thomson36:11
It's been a pleasure. Thank you for this opportunity.
Marco Ciappelli36:14
Of course. Bye bye, everybody say to or another one.
Dr. Susan Birne-Stone 36:19
Thanks, listeners.
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